A FEW MISTAKES – This is Jason, there are a few things in this episode I want listeners to be aware of. While I was reading the 1845 proclamation and thinking about what it meant to have Jesus come in the clouds, I thought about the Kirtland Temple dedication. In my curiosity, I went to Claude and asked it if something like that was reported at any other temple dedication since that time. It said it had indeed happened in Canada and Mexico. It was an AI halucination and I should have checked that before I recorded the episode, my apologies. Also, I said Joseph Smith was killed in 1845 when in actuality he was killed in 1844.
In this episode of the Deep Dive podcast, we explore the profound themes of restoration, focusing on the significance of the gospel’s return in the latter days. Beginning with reflections on the Day of Kings and the symbolism of Christ’s gifts, the discussion transitions into a deep dive into the restoration’s scriptural foundations, its connection to ancient patterns of worship, and the role of temples in returning to God’s presence. Drawing insights from scripture, history, and personal experiences, the episode emphasizes Christ as the central figure in God’s eternal plan, highlighting how the restoration aligns with the overarching purpose of leading all of humanity back to Him.
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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:16] Speaker B: Welcome to the weekly Deep Dive podcast on the Add On Education Network. The podcast where we take a look at the weekly Come follow me discussion and try to add a little insight and unique perspective. I am your host, Jason Lloyd, here in the studio with our friend and this show’s producer, Nate Pier.
[00:00:33] Speaker C: Hello.
[00:00:34] Speaker B: Hello. Happy New Year, Nate.
[00:00:35] Speaker A: Dude.
[00:00:36] Speaker C: Happy New Year to you too, buddy.
I am. It is a happy new year. It is a new year. It is joyous.
It is everything I’ve could have possibly ever dreamed of being so far. How about you?
[00:00:51] Speaker B: Fantastic.
[00:00:52] Speaker C: Everything you could have possibly dreamed of so far.
[00:00:55] Speaker B: Even. Even more. Even more. Right? It’s. It’s good times. And 2024, one for the record books, man. It was a good year.
[00:01:04] Speaker C: 2024 was wild, man. Was wild. It was wild. I’m in. I’m in. Though. 2024 was. Was a fun year.
I.
I’ve been looking forward to 2025. I’ve been. I’ve been trying to study a bunch of, like, Greek philosophy. I’m just. I’m interested in how it intersects with Christianity and with, like, other philosophies. Interesting. And so I’m like.
I’ve been. I’ve been going deep on, like, stoicism, and I like it. It’s. It’s. It’s like it’s got its blind spots for sure. But one of the things I’m trying to take away from it that we’ve talked about is try to not look at situations as inherently good or bad, but instead look at them as an opportunity to learn something and grow and be tested. And I’m like, I’m into that. I’m down with that. And so 2024, from us, from a very stoic perspective, had a lot of things to learn and grow from, and I’m. And I’m excited that I got those opportunities.
That’s how I feel about 2024.
[00:02:15] Speaker B: And it’s been a little bit since we connected. How did the tours finish out? I mean, you had some wild stuff going on.
[00:02:21] Speaker C: It was so fun. It was so fun. And it was just.
I don’t think I knew what day of the week it was for about a month and a half straight.
Because it’s sometimes, like, when you get on the road and you start having, like, multiple shows in different cities, you just totally lose track of time. And flying at night or flying super early in the mornings, and you just kind of. You’re never really awake and you’re never really asleep. Like, it was so fun. And I actually do miss it. Not. I don’t miss it enough to, like, get back into it full time, but it was a reminder of, like, oh, yeah, this is fun for a season. This is fun for a little while. But anyways, it was awesome. It was. One of the things I liked about it the most was I kind of had to, because we were playing Christmas music.
And there was a moment almost in every show in different spots, because, you know, it’s like we were playing kind of, you know, more upbeat versions of the Christmas songs. But there was definitely, like, some nights that it was just funny. You look out into the crowd and it’s such a diverse crowd. Especially, you know, when we were, like, in New York and Los Angeles and you look out and, you know, there’s. There’s people out there living their lives, man. Maybe it’s not the exact way that I live my life. Let’s just put it that way, necessarily. Right. But then we’re just testifying of Jesus and for two hours or whatever it is. And, like, it kind of hit me on multiple occasions throughout some of these shows that it’s like, this is.
[00:03:51] Speaker B: We’re.
[00:03:51] Speaker C: We’re doing our part, right? We’re even. Even in a place where you might not expect it. We’re still trying to bear. Bear our testimony in some way or another. And it was meaningful. I guess that’s. That’s probably. I’ll leave it at that.
[00:04:06] Speaker B: That’s awesome.
[00:04:09] Speaker C: Yeah, it’s good.
[00:04:10] Speaker B: That’s awesome.
[00:04:11] Speaker C: How was your season? How was your Christmas?
[00:04:15] Speaker B: It was. It was good. It was good last night. So as we’re recording this, January 6th, for me here was.
So they celebrate in Spain the Day of the Kings, even more so maybe than Christmas, which was interesting to me.
And so we went down to the city center. They had this massive parade every city. So, you know, back in Utah, you’ve got your town festivals, right? And every city has their parade that they do. And it’s the same floats that each city sends over to the other city. This. This is similar. You have this massive parade that the entire city goes out to, and every city does their own, but each one’s unique. It’s not the same floats crossing over, but it’s the. The Day of Kings parade. And it starts with the star. So you’re lining up around the streets, and it happens at night, and you look down the street and you see this massive floating star, like the Macy’s Thanksgiving Parade, except for a star, like, kind of just floating, coming down the street. You’re like, oh, here it comes.
[00:05:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I like that.
[00:05:20] Speaker B: Yeah. And the star shows up and you have all these little dancers holding their little stars and they’re all celebrating. Right. And then following the star is the wise men. But before you get to the wise men, they interject the male. Right. So this is like this, this, this kings slash Santa Claus. Like weird the holidays combined, right? Because you have to write the three kings and let them know what you want for, for the Day of Kings. So they have the post office and the mail and everyone’s dressed up like letters and celebrating on this mail float. And then you have the three kings coming through and every one of the three kings looks like Santa Claus sitting on, on their float.
[00:06:01] Speaker C: I like that.
[00:06:02] Speaker B: It was, it was pretty cool. And, and then you have the presents that the three kings are bringing. So like the three. The. The day of kings is today.
January 6th is, is kind of a bigger holiday in Spain in, in this is the day that you open your presents and whatever. And, and they adopted Christmas later on. Papa Noel and different traditions. So it’s kind of interesting seeing how people celebrate things over the side of the world. It just gets kind of cool to you know, equate the, the gift giving part of Christmas with when the magi or the, the kings or the wise men actually came and presented gifts to the Savior.
Which is, you know, I, you know, thinking back, we’ve, we’ve kind of been dark for a few weeks, getting through the end of the year, the end of the season. And just quick summary to get up to where we’re at today because I think today is as we talked, we want to hit on the restoration. This was the first lesson 2025 to come. Follow me. Talking about the restoration of the gospel. And I think the restoration of the Gospel is important enough to you and me, Nate, that we, we really wanted to get together and record this episode.
But to kind of give us a quick what we missed, skip. Right.
Talking about the holidays, talking about the end of the year and talking about the wise Men.
We try to present like a Christmas message. And I know it’s a little bit late for that, but where today is our Day of Kings, I thought maybe I could just give a quick 2 minute Christmas message to our listeners to, to. To kind of hit what we missed.
And the, the wise men brought three unique gifts to Christ. And we’ve talked about those gifts before, Nate, and you’ve pointed out, you know, that the gold, the frankincense and the myrrh are gifts fitting for a deity. These are oblations that people would bring into a temple and bring to a God.
Together, they make kind of a unique impact individually. You look at these gifts and I think they speak to the role of the Savior in different ways. Gold fitting for a king. The frankincense is what you would be using in association with temple worship and what you would be offering the incense and whatnot, and then the myrrh for burial, which is speaking to the role for why he was born. So you’ve got the priest, the king, and the death, the atonement all wrapped up into these unique gifts.
Thinking about those three gifts to me this past season, I was thinking about the three unique gifts that Christ offers us and those gifts, one being the ability to resurrect, to overcome death, which is a phenomenal gift. But if I were to resurrect, as it were, and not receive forgiveness of my sins and have to live with remorse or guilt for things that I’ve done or falling short or whatever, whatever, it would be an eternity in hell, an eternity having to see and come to consequence with my actions. That that gift in and of itself loses value if it doesn’t combine with the gift of forgiveness, and what a wonderful gift that is. But even the gift of forgiveness would also be a hell. If I was forgiven of everything today and God said, you’re done, go your way and sin no more. And I wasn’t able to sin no more, what good was it being forgiven today if within a year, two years, three years, or even within a day I’ve done things that I regret again, and I would have to try to go back and say, was that a one time deal? Can I have some more forgiveness? How does that work?
And so the gift of forgiveness, even as wonderful as it is, it can be somewhat limited without the third gift that Christ offers us through the atonement. And I believe this one. The ability to change who we are, the gift of progressing and becoming like God. Because that coupled with forgiveness, if I have learned from my mistakes and don’t commit that, and I’m better this year than I was last year, better today than I was yesterday, then all of these gifts work in concert to bring us to God and bring us closer to him. And that was kind of the gift I wanted to share with our listeners as we’re going through this Christmas season and the end of the year is these are the gifts that Christ offers us that we should be taking and enjoying and understanding and finding comfort and peace in that message.
[00:10:46] Speaker C: That’s really beautiful. Well said.
[00:10:49] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:10:52] Speaker A: Cool?
[00:10:53] Speaker C: What do we, where do you want to start with restoration? Do we. I, I’ve.
Is there, is there a need to really get too much into the apostasy or is that kind of, are we going to just assume that that’s kind of a given?
Restoration?
[00:11:09] Speaker B: What are you thinking? What do you want to hit? What do you.
[00:11:11] Speaker C: It was the lesson I had actually prepared for, for the, for the youth today though I didn’t get, I didn’t get a chance to teach because they did kind of the beginning of the year, kind of, you know, new year, all the youth get together and we kind of discussed like a theme for the new year. But I, I kind of just wanted to just briefly just touch upon, even if it’s just quickly kind of giving a shout out to like the early church.
There’s a lot of argument online, a lot of time with different denominations about like whether Christ’s church there was an apostasy or whether Christ Church was able to withstand all of the persecution that it obviously was receiving in like the early years and such like that. I just wanted to just quickly point out Christ set. When he set his church up, he clearly set up ways that it needed to function and go in the future. Which is why when apostles would die, new apostles would be called. The structure stayed the same.
But at a certain point the early church leaders, apostles and prophets were being killed off at a speed that they were not able to get together and continue to call new apostles in their place.
A lot of people from different religions will say, well, there were still like bishops in some of these areas and things like that too.
But clearly that was not the way that Jesus had set it up because as apostles would be killed off, they would call new ones to replace them and not just say, well, there’s some bishops in some of the adjoining cities.
Obviously some of the biggest evidence towards the church being thrust into apostasy is that the majority of the New Testament, the books of the New Testament are what, letters from the apostles and prophets telling various people in various cities that they’re needing to fix bad information, that they are practicing and trying to kind of help course correct different people in different cities.
I was recommended a book just recently and I forgot the title. Talking actually specifically about how Greek philosophy at the time was a huge influence on early Christian sects in different places.
That different, different Greek philosophies were actually heavily influencing the doctrine of churches being pulled away from, from the Christian doctrine that had been set up when, when Christ and his apostles were doing their Thing, which is why you see a lot of the apostles obviously in the region having to go around and trying to not only preach and do missionary work, but also course correct a lot of these different places.
I feel like objectively it’s not hard to see when you look at all of the evidence presented that with how hard it was to communicate at the time, with how hard it was to continue to call new leadership into positions as they were being killed off and persecuted as doctrine was continually being affected by tradition and other philosophies.
And I mean, and it all kind of comes to a head even when you start having all of these creeds from these different places and bishops basically from all of these different areas hundreds of years later coming together and trying to by consensus, more or less kind of agree generally upon what the official doctrine of the Catholic or universal Church is.
No, Peter did not pass down the authority, the priesthood authority from God to Clement as a bishop in that area to pass it down to the Catholic Church. I’m sorry that that’s not the structure that Christ had set up. That’s not the structure that his early church leaders had continued on. When Christ set up his church, apostles needed to be replaced with other apostles. They needed to get together and continue to ordain other people. That is the way that Christ set it up and that is the way that it needed to continue. It did not.
This is not even to try to bag on any of the other religions, but even obviously like early leaders in the Catholic Church and writers around that time noticed all of the corruption that was happening within the ranks at the various different religions. You and I have talked at length about some of the reasons why certain doctrines were changed. And that was to, for very political reasons, separate people from God and make it so that you had to go through a church or a power structure to get to God. The Protestants in their best of efforts tried to reform something that was already broken. But the fact of the matter is, is that it was already broken. There have been extensive writings and discussions on all of the various reasons why and all of the changes from the Church that Christ set up. And the church needed to be restored and not reformed.
And that is why, and that is what sets the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints apart from these churches that claim that we are not Christian or that we worship a different Christ.
I worship one that died on a cross and was resurrected three days later. I worship a Christ that went through the atonement, suffered and died for my sins so that I could be forgiven like you just got done talking about. If people decide that they want to worship a different Christ than that, that’s fine. That’s. I don’t feel that that’s my responsibility to defend the Christ that I do worship. And the Christ that I worship told us and warned us that there was going to be an apostasy because that’s the pattern from the beginning of time. And also promised a restoration. And that is exactly what happened in 1820.
[00:17:31] Speaker B: Fantastic.
[00:17:32] Speaker C: Did I blow by that too fast?
I know that there’s just so much.
[00:17:37] Speaker A: More detail, but I at least just.
[00:17:39] Speaker C: Wanted to set the stage with, with the reason of why we needed a restoration and, and not a reformation.
[00:17:49] Speaker B: Yeah, no, you’re good, man. I, I’m looking at this.
I, I’ve been studying a little bit on the apostasy. Not a lot, but a little bit preparing for, talking about the restoration and, and some things that stand out to.
[00:18:08] Speaker C: Me.
[00:18:10] Speaker B: Like you said, when they’re talking about it being prophesied, I think what has really impressed me, and I know I’ve said this before, so bear with me. Isaac Newton and the reason why the guy lived 1600s, he’s before the restoration of the gospel, and he lives in a time when there is a church, he’s part of a church, the religion’s very strong right.
And yet he turns to the Scriptures to try to understand God. He turns to science to appreciate what God has done, to try to what he deemed as an acceptable form of worshiping God, to try to understand his creation, understand how it worked.
And he talks about the importance of trying to understand the Scriptures for yourself and not relying on anyone else to interpret them for you, and says, if you rely on someone else to explain these things, then you’re going to, you’re going to not quite reach it. He felt like it was important.
This is what he said. Let me therefore beg of thee not to trust to the opinion of any man concerning these things. For so it is great odds. But thou shalt be deceived. Much less oughtest thou to rely upon the judgment of the multitude, for so thou shalt surely be deceived. But search the Scriptures thyself, and that by frequent reading and constant meditation upon which thou readest, and earnest prayer to God to enlighten thine understanding, if thou desires to find the truth, which if thou shalt at length attain, thou wilt value above all other treasures in the world by reason of the assurance and vigor it will add to thy faith and steady satisfaction to thy mind, which he only can know how to estimate, who shall experience it, which are profound words.
And that’s what he did. And I don’t think a lot of people realize this when we’re talking about Isaac Newton.
He’s known for the laws of motion, he’s known for gravity. He’s known for his math, discovering calculus, and science. But a lot of people don’t realize he wrote more on religious topics and Scripture interpretation than math and science combined.
And even though he lived before Joseph Smith, Joseph Smith didn’t have access to his studies, to his notes. Nobody did. His family was ashamed because right before he died, he refused the last rites because he felt like the church had lost its way and there was value in that.
[00:20:54] Speaker C: He was right.
[00:20:56] Speaker B: Yeah, but he still, like, looking at what we just read, he still very much believed in God. So when you’re going through your review of the apostasy, what I find interesting is Newton’s study of Scripture and how that brought him to a conclusion that there had been an apostasy.
[00:21:19] Speaker C: It wasn’t just him, too. I mean, that was like the whole. Whatever the thesis, Martin Luther and the whole thing.
[00:21:26] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:21:26] Speaker C: I was going to say the whole Protestant movement was essentially having access to the Scriptures and realizing, whoa, wait a minute. None of this stuff is actually in the book. You know what I mean?
[00:21:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
So he wrote a treatise on the Book of Revelation, and in his treatise, he states, if you will now compare all with the apocalyptic vision. And so back then, right, they called it Apocalypse instead of Revelation, but in either case, the Book of Revelation. If you will now compare with the apocalyptic visions, and particularly with the flight of the woman into the wilderness and the reign of the whore of Babylon, they will very much illustrate one another. For these visions are as plain as if it was expressly said that the true church shall disappear, and in her stead, an idolatrous church shall reign in the world.
That’s him reading the Book of Revelation and the impression that he gets. Compare that with Doctrine Covenants 86. Behold, verily I say unto you, the field was the world, and the apostles were the sowers of the seed. And after they had fallen asleep, the great persecutor of the church, the apostate, the whore, even Babylon, that maketh all nations to drink of her cup, in whose hearts the enemy even Satan sitteth to reign. Behold, he soweth the tares, wherefore the chairs choke out the wheat and drive the church into the wilderness.
And looking at that modern revelation and Newton’s interpretation of what was written in The Book of Revelation, he talks about this apostasy. He leaned on the Scriptures in Timothy, in Thessalonians, second Thessalonians, Thessalonians, that say, surely you know the day of the Lord shall not come except the apostasy come first and the man of sin be revealed.
Another cool thing that he stated. Now, though the unity of the Church depended upon the unity of the faith, and therefore the rule of faith was unalterable, yet before the end of the second century, some of the Latin churches, in opposition to heretics, began to add new articles to it. And this is kind of going right with what you were saying, Nate, as you’re talking about the history of the Church. And after they had, by adding some articles in the language of the Scriptures, made precedent for creating to themselves a creed making authority, they began to add articles in other language than that of the Scripture till they lost the primitive apostolic rule of faith and by the loss of it brought all into confusion.
And this is just focusing on apostasy before the restoration of the Church in this last dispensation.
But he didn’t just see the apostasy he saw.
Okay, so we can find verses in the New Testament that talk about, surely there won’t until the apostasy, until the coming of the Lord. This is going to happen. This is going to happen.
He quoted the Savior and seeing Christ himself talk about an apostasy. I loved his connection here. And this is in Matthew 17:11, when Jesus says, yes, Elias will come. And it’s not. He didn’t say. Jesus didn’t say, Elias has come to prepare the way for the coming of the Lord. So we look at John the Baptist as Elias, the messenger that came and prepared the way before Christ comes. But Christ takes that prophecy and doubles down on it and says, surely Elias still will come to prepare the way before the Lord returns. And so the Savior’s talking about the second coming and Elias coming to prepare the way before he comes again. And so even quoting the words of the Savior, Newton is able to pick up on an apostasy. You don’t prepare the way for things to return if they weren’t lost in the first place.
And so he’s picking up on this. And after making all of these connections, this is the last statement. I think I want to read from him the worship which is due to this God we are to give to no other, nor to ascribe any absurd or contradictious to his nature or actions, lest we be found to blaspheme him, or to deny him or to make a step towards atheism or irreligion. For as often as mankind has swerved from them, God has made a reformation. When the sons of Adam erred and the thoughts of the hearts became evil continually, God selected Noah to become a new people. Excuse me, to become a new world. And when the posterity of Noah transgressed and began to invoke dead men, God selected Abraham and his posterity. And when they transgressed in Egypt, God reformed them by Moses. And when they relapsed to idolatry and immorality, God sent the prophets to reform them and punish them by the Babylonian captivity. And when they had returned from captivity, mixed human inventions with the law of Moses under the name of traditions and laid stress of the religion upon.
Upon the acts of the mind, not upon the acts of mind, but upon the outward acts and ceremonies, God sent Christ to reform them. And when the nation received him not, God called the Gentiles. And now the Gentiles have corrupted themselves. We may expect that God in due time will make a new reformation. And in all the reformations of the religion hitherto made the religion and respect of God and our neighbor is one and the same religion. So that this is the oldest religion in the world.
[00:26:50] Speaker A: I missed it. Where’s that quote from?
[00:26:53] Speaker B: This quote is from iranicum. Awesome. Page 35. Isaac Newton.
[00:27:01] Speaker A: Yeah, it’s awesome. What a quote.
Isaac Newton. Got it, dude, dude, he got it.
[00:27:08] Speaker B: He got it. So, which begs the question, where. Where does the restoration begin?
For talking about the restoration, where do we. Where do. What is the restoration? Where does the restoration start?
You know?
[00:27:26] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:27:28] Speaker B: And I mean, okay, go for it.
[00:27:31] Speaker A: No, I’m interested in how far back you want to take it, you know what I mean? Because, like, the restoration, I feel like so many things kind of had to happen for it to happen again. One of the conversations that I was following online was hilarious because, you know, somebody, you know, Catholic was basically arguing.
Their argument was, well, if.
[00:27:52] Speaker C: Why would Jesus take the church off.
[00:27:54] Speaker A: The earth again if he didn’t love us? And the person said, well, because the doctrine that we believe right now, you in your own words, keep calling basically, like, heretical. It’s like we would have been killed for our belief, you know what I mean? For what we’re saying happened, happened, we would have been killed by your church not too long ago. Like, really not that long ago, relatively.
And I was like, okay, cool. So I guess to answer your question, I’m interested in seeing how far back you want to go to where the restoration began.
[00:28:27] Speaker B: You see? And it’s an interesting question, and it’s a poorly asked question, okay, because it needs more context than does.
[00:28:35] Speaker C: You’re right.
[00:28:36] Speaker B: And what restoration are we talking about? And let’s be clear, right? Restoration.
And this is why I want to dig in deep, right, the restoration. In order to have a restoration, you have to understand what things looked like in the first place, right? Because what are you restoring to? If you don’t know what it was, you’ll never be able to get back to it. You can’t restore something without understanding what it originally was supposed to be and how to get back to that state. So we talk about a restoration, sure, some people can say, you know, 1820, Joseph Smith had his first vision and this kicks off the restoration. But then some others might say, well, you can’t have a restoration until you have a falling away. There’s got to be an error first. So really, the restoration has to happen from the point of. Of exit from where you were to begin with.
But then we look at Isaac Newton’s statement and realize that this process of falling away and returning is a much longer process.
And I like to define the restoration from an even earlier point than all of that.
And for me, the restoration begins. Let me read from a couple scriptures. This is first Peter. Excuse me, chapter one, verse 19.
And we talked about this when we went through the New Testament. And it says, but with the precious blood of Christ as a lamb without blemish and without spot, verse 20, who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world.
And that line right there, before the foundation of the world. And so when we talk about the foundation of the world, foundation is used in building terms, right? We’re laying the foundation, we’re creating. And so when the Scriptures reference the foundation of the world, I look at that and interpret that phrase as the creation before the world was created, Christ was the Lamb precious. He was called, he was chosen, he was foreordained to do what he was going to do before the world could be created. And this thought, so that we’re not just taking it from one source, is sprinkled all throughout, all throughout the New Testament. So if I go to Revelation 13:8, and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life, of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. So again, we get that phraseology, and they keep referring to Christ as the Lamb and this idea that he was going to be sacrificed in order to atone for our sins before the foundation of the world. And I think this language is important. And for anyone interested, I mean, you can go back and read Ephesians 1:4, 5, John 17:24, Titus 1:2, 2 Timothy 1:9. I’m not just picking obscure verses that make this reference. This is a major theme in the New Testament. It’s important to understand that God, before He created this world, had to have a Savior.
And the reason why I think this is important because I think a lot of people have this idea that Jesus was plan B.
And I was asked to teach Gospel doctrine yesterday. And as we were talking about the restoration and the role of, of Christ in salvation, the atonement, I asked him about this and the feedback I got was that, yes, Jesus was plan B to save us. And so I stopped and said, okay, that’s an interesting point.
Let me ask you then, what’s plan A?
And somebody else said, well, plan A was we just didn’t make a mistake, right? We just came here and we live perfect and we didn’t need a Savior. So if we make a mistake, then there’s plan B and Christ comes in. And I want to challenge that.
I don’t think that Jesus was plan B and that God ever expected us to just do this alone and to be perfect at it. Because before he created the world, he had to pick a savior. He wasn’t going to just send his kids off and then watch them fail and say, shoot, now what do I do? How do I save this? How do I fix this?
This is a God who knew how this was going to go. And before he could even start the work on the creation, before he could even prepare a place for his kids to go, he needed to make sure the most important component was taken care of. And we keep looking at this as mistakes and that we really screwed up and we’re really hard on ourselves for this. But we have to understand this is actually plan A. This was the plan from the beginning, that Christ was chosen before the creation could happen.
And so when we talk about restoration, I want to redefine the word restoration because I think so many times we narrowly apply it to just the bringing back of the church in today’s time. But I believe that restoration, let’s take this all the way to the very beginning. We were with God in the beginning, and before God could send us here, he said, who shall I send? Christ said, here am I, send me. And we left the presence of God knowing there was a plan where we could return back to the presence of God with his Son. And so for me, restoration is being returned to the presence of God.
That’s where I want to define restoration. What was lost? What was the first state? That’s something I wanted to try to make a point of. In order to understand restoration, we have to understand what was it like originally. We need to know we were with God in the beginning. And that’s what the Scriptures teach us.
And that’s what we’re trying to be restored to, is to the presence of God.
And so we go to this is the first restoration and in it, how do we get restored to God? And the plan, the footwork there, everything is laid out in the very first story of the Bible and that’s the story of Adam and Eve.
Adam and Eve walked with God in the cool of the day. They were in the presence of God, they make the mistake, they’re sent out of the presence of God. There we have a need for restoration. What is restoration? Being returned to the presence of God.
So what does he do? First off, when they stand, they try to describe this fall as we were referring to apostasy. Nate, I’m going to take the imagery of discovering their nakedness as apostasy.
They beheld that they’re wrong, they’re shamed, or whatever. Their mistake is being symbolically referred to as their nakedness. So what do they do?
They try to fix it themselves. They make fig leaves and try to cover their nakedness and try to make up for it.
[00:35:43] Speaker A: At the suggestion of somebody else though.
[00:35:46] Speaker C: Right?
[00:35:47] Speaker B: That’s a great point.
At the suggestion of somebody else.
[00:35:51] Speaker C: That’s right.
[00:35:53] Speaker A: I’m just saying, like, I think that that’s a, that’s a really important part. Even when we. The only reason I bring that up is because I. It’s hard for me not to see that there as things fell away even with the church after Christ again. And you see how like there has been so many of the, of the doctrines of Christ perverted over the years. I’m just like, Satan’s trick always was take a little bit of truth, mingle it with, with the doctrine of men. And so that’s, that’s the reason I’m saying Satan was right, that they did need to cover themselves, but then he gave them the false cheap way of doing it. As we can see even as churches and reformation projects began, that Satan’s best trick is always to say here’s a little bit of the right thing. And then here’s, here’s the incorrect version mingled in with it. Okay, continue. Sorry to Sorry to derail you.
[00:36:48] Speaker B: Great interjection. And the covering with leaves, woefully inadequate. Right? Can you imagine.
[00:36:57] Speaker A: Can you imagine going out into the lone and dreary world with fake leaves? Instead of any sort of warmth and.
[00:37:04] Speaker B: Gust of wind picks up, you’re like, oh, man, where’d that go?
Back to square one.
We need better clothes. That’s hilarious. So Christ makes clothes for them.
And it’s important, this story, because it’s not just that he makes clothes for them. What does he make the clothes out of?
[00:37:28] Speaker A: Something had to die.
[00:37:30] Speaker B: It’s coats of skin. And get the skin. Something had to die. And so God teaches them from the beginning.
Plan A.
Christ was the lamb who would be sacrificed so that you can be covered and restored.
And this restoration, that’s where it starts. And Christ is this lamb, and he will give his life to cover you. And he teaches them to understand this plan, a plan from the beginning.
And fast forward to Moses. So we’re talking about apostasies and restorations. I think we can see a lot from the story of Moses pulling the Israelites out of Egypt back into creating the land for them, Israel.
When they’re set free and they’re able to be liberated, it’s only because of the death of the firstborn.
And it’s this angel of death that comes through and slays the firstborn, that only through this death or the sacrifice are they able to be liberated. And to fully understand this, they’re required to take a firstborn lamb, right? A male lamb without blemish, and sacrifice this lamb symbolically to pay the price so that they would not have to be killed and to share this meal with each other, the Passover lamb. And the lamb is to be eaten with bitter herbs.
And the blood of the lamb is to be painted on the door post, the horizontal and the vertical post of the door.
And you’re supposed to take great care to not break a single bone of this lamb. This is 2000 years before Christ comes, right? This is another big reminder that Christ is the Lamb of God.
And it’s fascinating to me that on the very day of Passover, at the very hour that the Israelites all over Jerusalem are killing their Passover lambs, Christ was killed.
And not only is he killed, but his blood is marking the post, the vertical, the horizontal post of the cross that he’s on.
And before he dies, he thirsts. And what do they do? They take the sponge with bitterness, the gall, the vinegar, and they serve the lamb with bitterness.
And here’s this Image of Christ, who was told from the beginning he was, before the world was created, the Lamb of God.
And yet it’s the actions of the people that manifest him as the Lamb. It’s the people that don’t believe in him that have fulfilled the word of the Lord, every jot and tittle that have made this come about. He was plan A from the beginning. It’s us, whether or not we choose to accept the plan or we understand the plan as we drift from God. But he’s always trying to call, to remind, to pull us closer to him and understand that he is the plan. And so he was the restoration, the math, the means by which we could return to. To God.
In. In these thoughts, Joseph Smith said something fascinating about the reason why God gathers people together. And he said, let me, let me make sure I get the full quote here. Joseph Smith said the main object of gathering the people of God in any age to certain places is to build unto the Lord a house whereby he could reveal unto his people the ordinances of his house and the glories of his kingdom, and to teach the people the way of salvation. That’s in teachings of the prophet Joseph Smith, pages 307 to 308.
And what he’s saying is the reason for any gathering was to build a temple.
And I think we lose, without understanding the context of Adam and Eve and the garden Moses, we lose the connection with the temple. And I want to restore that connection. Interesting choice of words with what we’re talking about here. But what is the temple?
And if we look, Moses, before they even get to Israel, before they even have their land, before anything, what’s the first thing God orders them to do is build this tabernacle.
And the tabernacle embodies paradise, Eden. And in his tabernacle, there’s two rooms. There’s the holy of Holies and there’s the holy place. And in the holy of Holies is the Ark of the Covenant, which is the throne that God sits on and rules among his people. And he comes to the tabernacle in this pillar of fire, this cloud of smoke, and he dwells among them. And the high priest can go into the presence of God once a year. But from here, the voice of God is to out his people, to guide them that he reigns personally upon the earth through the tabernacle.
And in order to get to the holy of holies, you have to pass first through the holy place, which has the Menorah, which is set up like a tree with the knops and the branches and the almonds and all, everything to look like this tree. And the fruit of the tree, in this case, the fruit of the menorah is light, the burning of the candles. This is the tree of life, which is an image, as we’ve talked about, a symbol of Jesus Christ.
Across from that, you actually eat the fruit of the tree, which is the showbread table, and you have bread and wine that the priest would partake of the body and the blood of Christ, the Lamb, who was slain for the sacrifice.
And this is all happening in the holy place. And before you can get into the holy place, lambs literally had to be sacrificed outside at the altar of the temple. Sacrifice was required before you could come in. And you see here this progression. And before you can pass into the holy place, before you can get into here, you have curtains, a veil set up. And in the curtains in this veil are cherubim sewn. So you start to lay this pattern. On top of the story of Eden, God walked with Adam in the cool of the day. In the tabernacle, God is there, his presence. So what are they doing? They’re recreating Eden. They’re recreating paradise. You have the tree of Life at the center, just like you had the tree of life at the. The center of the Garden of Eden. You have cherubim guarding the way, just as it was when they were cast out. So the story of restoration is also the story of the fall of Adam and Eve. As they left the presence of God and restoration is being restored back to the presence of God. As they were cast out eastward, the temple faced the east, and they made this trek back from the east to the west to return to ultimately the presence of God. What is restoration like? I say to understand restoration, you have to understand original state, because that’s what we’re being returned to. What was the original state of mankind on earth? The presence of God? What was our original state before we came to this earth? The presence of God. So what is the restoration of the gospel? The restoration is the ability for mankind to return to the presence of God. And like Joseph Smith said, it is critical to build a house of the Lord whereby this can happen. That’s what the temple is today. And the restoration of the gospel is a restoration for the means by which we can literally return to the presence of God, go to his house and be with him where he was. It is returning us back to Eden, returning us back to paradise. This is a story as old as Adam and Eve and even older from before the Foundations of the world. How do we get back to God? That is the story of the restoration. Love it.
[00:45:35] Speaker A: You want to talk a little bit about the restoration?
The most recent of restorations of the church or not as much?
[00:45:47] Speaker B: Yes, yes, I do. Yes, I do. I think this is. This is the most amazing thing to happen on the earth right now. This is.
It should be exciting to all of us.
To fully understand this, I’m going to go to doctrine and covenants 124 and maybe hopefully build a little bit of excitement for what we’re in and what we’re doing. And this is the year of Doctrine and covenants and 124 verses one through three.
Oh, man. My scriptures. Just second, just second. Like I grabbed the wrong tab and now I’m reading in Spanish and that does not help.
That does not help English.
Okay. 124. Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you, my servant, Joseph Smith. I am very. Excuse me. I am well pleased with your offering and acknowledgments which you have made. For unto this end I have raised you up that I might show forth my wisdom through the weak things of the earth. Your prayers are acceptable before me, and in answer to them, I say unto you that you are now called immediately to make a solemn proclamation of my Gospel and of this stake which I have planted to be a cornerstone of Zion, which shall be polished with the refinement which is after the similitude of a palace. This proclamation shall be made to all the kings of the world and to the four corners thereof, to the honorable president elect and the high minded governors of the nation in which you live, and to all the nations of the earth scattered abroad. Let it be written in the spirit of meekness and by the power of the Holy Ghost which shall be in you at the time of writing of the same.
For it shall be given of you by the Holy Ghost to know my will concerning those kings and authorities, even what shall befall them in the time to come.
And so this commandment was given. This was 1841. Joseph Smith immediately started writing this proclamation to send it out to the world. Unfortunately, his work was interrupted with all of the things that were happening at this time. And in 1845, in the beginning of 1845, as we know, Joseph Smith was martyred, was killed in the end of 1845, October towards the end of the year, the quorum of the twelve apostles got together and they finished writing this proclamation and they sent it out. And I don’t think we really give enough Credit to this. It’s an incredible document. I’m just going to read the first page of it.
Proclamation and so if anyone wants to find this, this is 1845. It is the proclamation to the world of the twelve apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. This is really the first proclamation to the world that the Church put out. So this is what it reads. Proclamation of the twelve apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. To all the kings of the world, to the President of the United States of America, to the governors of the several states, and to the rulers and people of all nations. Greeting.
Know ye that the kingdom of God has come as has been predicted by ancient prophets and prayed for in all ages. Even that kingdom which shall fill the whole earth and shall stand forever. The great Elohim Jehovah has been pleased once more to speak from the heavens and also to commune with man upon the earth by means of open visions and by the ministration of holy messengers.
By this means the great and eternal high priesthood. After the order of His Son, even the apostleship has been restored or returned to the earth. This high priesthood or apostleship holds the keys of the kingdom of God and the power to bind on earth that which was bound in heaven and to loose on earth that which shall be loosed in heaven. And in fine to do and to administer in all things pertaining to the. The ordinances, organization, government and direction of the Kingdom of God being established in these last days for the restoration of all things spoken by the prophets since the world began and in order to prepare the way for the coming of the Son of Man.
What a powerful introduction.
[00:50:11] Speaker C: I love it.
[00:50:14] Speaker A: I love that there is no fear in basically being like this is to everyone, most importantly kings, rulers, presidents, governors.
[00:50:23] Speaker C: I just, I like it.
[00:50:24] Speaker B: I like.
[00:50:25] Speaker A: There’s a. There’s a boldness about that that speaks to me.
[00:50:28] Speaker B: You, you, dude, you. You mentioned boldness. In here it says, we command the Jews to prepare to go back to your land, to create a nation and to build a temple.
[00:50:40] Speaker A: Jeez. And you remember this is a hundred years before.
[00:50:43] Speaker B: A hundred years before they go back, right?
And not only that, they say there are people living in this generation that will see the fulfillment of these things happen.
And the boldness. They say, you can’t sit idly by. We command you to make ready your transportation to help in this. This is not our work alone. We need your help. And this is how we need your help. And they outline all of these ways in which they need the Kings to fulfill the Scriptures. Really. It’s the Gentiles carrying the Jews upon their shoulders and being their nursing fathers and the nursing mothers and what they need to do to help this go around the world. It’s incredibly prophetic.
[00:51:28] Speaker C: I love it.
[00:51:30] Speaker A: I love it.
Great stuff. Let’s keep going.
[00:51:35] Speaker B: And, you know, we’re talking about proclamations.
We have to. And this is the meat of the message this week in the. Come, follow me.
How. How prophetic was it, President Nielsen, in preparation for 2020.
[00:51:51] Speaker A: That’s right.
[00:51:52] Speaker B: Which is. Which is the bicentennial. Right. 200 years since the original proclamation. Not proclamation. Since Joseph Smith had the first vision. The heavens were open and he saw God writes this wonderful proclamation about the restoration again, announcing to the world, this happened 200 years ago. Here we are. Here’s where it’s going on. Like this is.
This has never been for a few select people hiding in a corner, doing their own secret thing. This is a work that God has been saying, taking it out of darkness into the light.
What more can you do when you open the heavens and personally visit the earth and talk to somebody?
When you promise to send your spirit upon anyone that asks about the work, when you send out an official proclamation to the entire world. That, by the way, is translated into German, run through the New York newspaper, sent across the world, and tried to be published in every newspaper that it can.
[00:52:53] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:52:54] Speaker B: To send missionaries into the entire world to try to reach people individually and let them know what’s happening. I mean, what else can the Lord do?
Maybe. Maybe send a broadcast on TV that the entire world can hear twice a year that you kind of understand. I mean, what.
[00:53:11] Speaker A: I mean, the only thing left is just to come back and be like, here I am.
I don’t know, maybe there’s a step between those two that I’m missing, but it’s hard to imagine.
[00:53:23] Speaker B: It’s impressive. I mean, any creative way you think of to say, I mean, in this, it says that the world. We get to the idea that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess. Right. And we talk about the Lord coming in the presence of everybody. In fact, as I was reading this proclamation, it was talking about those exact prophecies and those exact ideas.
And I had some interesting thoughts on that.
This is what it said. The nations and their kings shall see him coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And I think we’re all waiting for this time. Right. That Christ comes to the earth, that every knee shall bow, every tongue confess that we all see him for who he is.
And, Nate, you’ve opened my eyes when you talk about art and how it influences our beliefs, right? Yep.
[00:54:23] Speaker A: Now we’re talking.
[00:54:25] Speaker B: So when we’re talking about art with that in mind. Let me. Let me read that statement again. The nations and their kings shall see him coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. What does that look like?
[00:54:37] Speaker A: I mean, from, like, the artistic standpoint, it feels very much kind of like the painting of, like, Jesus actually descending from the clouds and all of the angels kind of singing, like, the choirs and stuff. I mean, at least just how it reads.
[00:54:51] Speaker C: That’s how it reads.
[00:54:52] Speaker A: So I don’t know if that’s what it’s describing, but that’s what it feels like would probably be drawn or painted.
[00:55:01] Speaker B: Yeah. And we have that Second Coming painting, right, With Jesus is coming in the clouds. And you’ve got.
[00:55:06] Speaker A: Everybody’s got the trumpets and that whole thing. Yeah.
[00:55:08] Speaker B: Yes, yes. And that’s what I was thinking of. And I read this, and I’m like, well, you know, that hasn’t happened yet. When is this going to happen? What are we waiting on? Like, what needs to happen for this to happen first? And a lot of this is talking about preparing for that and the role of the church in the world to prepare the world for the coming. And that’s a lot of the conference talks. Right. And so maybe we’re still waiting for this event to happen. But as I started thinking about this and Christ coming in the clouds, that phrase to me took new meaning. Because as I’m thinking of Christ coming in the clouds, I’m thinking of third Nephi, chapter 11, Christ descending, a voice, right? And everyone seeing him, and every knee shall bow and every tongue confess. That’s what I’m thinking of.
But I’m like, wait a second. Coming in the clouds. Where else do I read about him coming in the clouds?
And Moses, tabernacle, and as he guided Israel, how did he come? What was the clouds? In that case, the clouds was the veil so that nobody could see him.
And so when you talk about him coming in the clouds, what are the clouds?
It’s a covering. It’s a veil.
And so I stopped and I thought about that for a second. They shall see him coming in the clouds. It doesn’t mean that he’s going to be riding a cloud like a chariot, coming down on top of it, that everyone sees him. But what if it literally is in the clouds? Is it a covering in a veil that you don’t see him physically, but he’s coming veiled. And why wouldn’t he be veiled? He was veiled every time he came and appeared to the children of Israel. When he ruled personally on the earth way back when with Israel, how many Israelites actually saw him? Wasn’t it just Moses?
Because Moses tried to get them to.
[00:57:03] Speaker C: See God, but they had to go.
[00:57:04] Speaker A: To the temple to do it. And they weren’t ready to do that.
[00:57:07] Speaker B: And they weren’t ready to do that. And they said, no, we want you to. We don’t want to be burned up in his coming. We would rather you talk to him and then let us know. And so Moses would converse with the Lord on the other side of the veil through the clouds, and that people weren’t allowed to see it. And so coming in as clouds took on different meaning to me, as instead of seeing Christ, maybe the clouds is the veil that covers Christ, that you don’t see him coming. Maybe you don’t see him except for the veil.
And that is the temple protects him. There is a veil, a cloud around that you don’t see him. But also it reminded me of when the Kirtland temple was finished and dedicated. What happened? Christ appeared to Joseph Smith at the Kirtland temple in Oliver Cowdery. And what did the people see? And the people saw a light descend on it, a cloud that covered it. They saw these amazing manifestations. And it’s not even just members of the church that the community was writing about what they saw on this temple when it was dedicated. And did the world not see Christ coming? But he was always veiled when he came. And why would we expect him to be anything but veiled and coming to the world? It’s just an interesting idea. And I thought, oh, go ahead.
[00:58:28] Speaker A: No, I was going to say, like, I mean, what do you think then of the prophecy though, that Christ is going to reveal himself to the Jews and be like, it’s me, and it was me this whole time?
[00:58:37] Speaker B: It’s a good question.
I think there’s more to come. Okay, 100%. I think there’s more to come.
[00:58:44] Speaker A: And that at some point, and that at some point every knee actually will be able to be like, no, he was the one.
[00:58:51] Speaker B: And so let me come right back onto that because I think you’re onto something and I think there’s something there.
When I looked at this Kirtland temple dedication, I wondered, is this a one time event? Because that’s certainly not something that every king and all these people in all the world is seeing. Right? This isn’t this doesn’t quite exactly fulfill everything that I’m looking for.
But I started to do some research and a cloud showed up and manifested on the temple at the Calgary Temple dedication, at the Mexico City temple dedication. This wasn’t a one time thing. This actually happened at several temple dedications that people noticed this impressive cloud descend on the temple and light and just amazing experience which is fascinating. But when we talk about every knee shall bow and every tongue confess, how do we get there? (THIS RESEARCH WAS INACCURATE MY APOLOGIES)
And I think in my mind I’ve always had this moment when Christ shows up from the heavens and everybody sees him. And then they’re like, oh, we were wrong or we were right or we. Whatever this was, this is the one moment that reveals to the world who he is. And at that point every knee bows and every tongue confesses. Lately I’ve started to think about that and does that going to Moroni’s. You shall receive no witness until after the trial of your faith.
What if the Lord has established his kingdom here on the earth and it is our responsibility to take that message and to help every knee to bow and every tongue confess to where the world is prepared to where he can show himself to the world. A world that believes.
Which I mean, they’re thoughts, right? They’re thoughts and they’re not all right. And I can say that because there’s more prophecies about the world turning against Israel in Jerusalem and the Lord appearing upon the mount and the mount being cleaved in two. And you talk about the Jews seeing the Savior and recognizing the marks in his hand and saying who? You know, how did that happen? And this is what I received in the house of my friends.
There’s interesting dynamics in this and I feel like a lot of Jews, there’s a lot of messianic Jews that have started to come and look at the Savior as the Messiah that was prophesied and accept him for who he was.
And there’s a lot of Jews that are not. But there is a movement of that. There is some changing in there.
It’ll be interesting to see how things play out. Hindsight is always 2020. And what I’m doing is, I’m talking about some of these things, is applying the hindsight to our moment in time, our snapshot in this restoration process. And I’ll call it that, I’ll call it a process because I don’t think there’s a point where the restoration ended.
[01:01:56] Speaker A: I’m with you.
Right, like, yeah, I agree with that.
[01:02:00] Speaker B: And there’s a point I Mean, what is restoration? Again, we have to go back and define the word in the context. Is it not returning to the presence of God? And there’s a personal restoration, there’s a restoration of the church, there’s a restoration of nations. There’s all sorts of different levels and layers of this.
And how do we as a people turn to God to the point where we can be in his presence? I guess, ultimately is the point that I want to make with all of these impressive Scriptures, because isn’t that what it’s all about, Christ coming and manifesting himself to the earth? Is that not the whole point of the restoration is to get back to where he is, to see him, to be with him, and to be in the presence of God.
That’s the restoration.
[01:02:47] Speaker A: I like it. I like it.
[01:02:49] Speaker C: Good stuff.
[01:02:50] Speaker A: Okay, cool. Let’s keep going. Anything else you want to hit?
[01:02:55] Speaker B: I. I just think when we. When we look at it like this, to me, it makes the words of Isaiah come alive when he says, a marvelous work is about to come forth among the children of man. It’s a great and a marvelous work. It’s a powerful thing. It’s not.
It’s not just my ward every Sunday and what we’re doing and talking about the same things and hashing our. Our culture and our traditions and, you know, sitting in Sunday school or having elders quorum. We’re just. Sometimes we get tunnel vision. Sometimes we just feel like it’s such a small thing in our ward. But we got to realize that God meant salvation for all of his children. If we believe we came from Adam and Eve, we believe we were all once in the presence of God. How do we get all of his children back to the presence of God? How do we participate in this work and. And let that excitement run through our veins, fill us, energize us, and find ways to be involved. And. And there are ways for everyone to be involved and think about the importance we have with ministering and. And how does nurturing people help them stay strong and understand and grasp the work that they’re part of and get them into the temple, return them to the presence of God? And how do we reach out to those that we minister to who have fallen a little bit away from the church? What kind of restoration do they need in their lives to get them back to a point where they’re ready to make those covenants or to live up to the covenants that they’re making?
That’s the work that we’re in. And doctrine and covenants talks about let us be anxiously engaged in a good work.
And I think understanding restoration not just from a point of the church falling away from Christ and killing his apostles and changing the covenants and changing the laws and just getting confusion over time, but from a broader perspective of how do we get back to the presence of God and realizing what temples are here on the earth helps us to take advantage of those temples and restore as many people as we can. There’s not only just the restoration of the church to the people living on earth, but there’s a massive restoration underway to save the dead and to provide ordinances for them and bring them into the house of the Lord and have them make covenants and restore them as well to the presence of God. It’s just an incredible work.
[01:05:26] Speaker C: Love it.
[01:05:27] Speaker A: Great, great stuff.
All right, what is, what’s our, what’s our recycle plan for the Doctrine and Covenants from last year?
We going to start getting some of those up, started next week?
[01:05:43] Speaker B: Yeah. So what I’m going to do, I believe this week is Doctrine and Covenants Section one. So with our restoration episode that we’re recording right now, I’m going to find Doctrine Covenant Section One, and I’m going to post that up to you. If you do both at the same time or do one midweek, or maybe.
[01:06:02] Speaker A: Do one midweek also, you should just, you should just listen down to it again, too, and just make sure. I mean, this was, this was like, this was day. This was day one. Like, this was four years ago. That’s what I’m saying. It’s like, I just, I’m, I’m, I’m nervous only because I just, I know that the quality of the show went up so much from where we were that it’s like, I’m scared it’s going to be a jarring experience to go back and I’m sure hear what it sounded like when we were first trying to figure out how on earth to even do this. You’re right. It’ll probably be a jarring experience either way.
[01:06:36] Speaker B: So whatever, I guess, you know, think about it every time you watch a series and you get used to the actors on the show changing over time. And then when you go back and watch the very first pilot episode, you’re like, wait, wait a second.
[01:06:49] Speaker A: What the heck?
[01:06:50] Speaker B: These are not the same.
[01:06:51] Speaker A: Let’s just say, look, show us. Show us some grace. If you do want to go back, listen, these. We had some, we had some fun content in these for sure, but we were definitely trying to figure it Out. So be kind.
[01:07:08] Speaker B: Be kind and pay attention because, I mean, posting some of these episodes that you haven’t heard, it’s going to be good. But we’re still going to be popping in live from moment to moment. Like, keep your head on a swivel.
[01:07:22] Speaker C: Yeah, that’s right.
[01:07:23] Speaker B: We’ll make some appearance.
[01:07:26] Speaker A: The thing is, is I think that there’s going to be enough. I, I do think that there’s going to be enough things that we’re going to want to, we’re going to want to talk specifically on, even if they’re kind of just supplementary. I know that this one, we’re almost going 70 minutes on it, but I mean, that’s of plan. We planned on doing that. Some of these bonus ones that we’ll probably be doing might just be like, hey, there’s a couple little things that we want to talk about. They’ll probably be somewhere between 20 and 30 minutes. You know, I mean, they might be little quick, quick hits on stuff which, which will be easier on, on our schedules as well. So you might end up getting more content from us because we’ll be reposting some of the old stuff and posting supp. Supplemental stuff kind of in between as well.
[01:08:13] Speaker B: And anytime you want to step in, Nate, you, you look at a section in Doctrine Covenants, I’m like, you know what? Let’s, let’s, let’s, let’s make this one live. Anytime you want to step in, there.
[01:08:21] Speaker A: Will, there will probably be, there will probably be instances where we’re going to want to be doing that.
And again, like, I’m, you and I are both lucky that we both get to teach quite a bit in our wards.
And as we’re preparing for a lot of these things, you and I, I feel like always are kind of going back and forth with like, oh, hey, here’s some, here’s kind of a interesting take on X, Y and Z. And when we’re kind of talking about those, I have a feeling that we’re gonna, that more, more often than not we’re gonna say, hey, we should just jump on and do a quick, you know, a quick 20 minute, 30 minute, you know, hit on one of these things. So, so we will, we will be trying to still make sure that we’re adding new content as well as some of the old stuff is what I’m saying.
[01:09:11] Speaker B: Sounds good.
[01:09:12] Speaker A: Appreciate everybody listening. You can get a hold of us@higheeklydeepdive.com if there is anything that you specifically listening would like to actually hear. Us talk about or discuss that is either part of the come follow me or maybe not even part of the come follow me.
If it’s something that we can kind of figure out or, or make, make.
[01:09:34] Speaker C: A worthy podcast out of, episode out.
[01:09:37] Speaker A: Of, hit us up when we’ll read through it and see if it’s something that that makes sense for us to try to do a recording of. But we really do appreciate everybody listening and hoping that, hoping that you find value in this, in this time, listening down to these things. Jason, appreciate you and always the time that you put into this stuff. And I know that our listeners feel the same way.
[01:10:03] Speaker C: So that’s all we have for this week.
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